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Groaning of Creation: Final Thoughts

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We share our final thoughts on The Groaning of Creation.  Despite its relatively small size, it was densely packed with rich ideas to discuss and explore as Southgate covered a broad range of theologians and philosophers.

Here we give our final thoughts on this book.

We look forward for all our readers to join us for our next book in 2018.

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“Groaning of Creation” – Chapter 6: “The Call of Humanity” – Part I

 

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The Orthodox Church has differing views of theology in contrast with the Western Church.

 

Yes, it’s been a while since we last updated, but we just completed the first half of Chapter 6: “The Call of Humanity”.

 

Here are our essays.

 

 

UPDATE: The Groaning of Creation – Chapter 5 – Part II

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Will predators continue to hunt prey in the new creation?

We finish up Chapter 5 of Christopher Southgate’s The Groaning of Creation.

One of the things that our group has learned, especially in this chapter, is how theology can be so speculative.  This proves to be true when dealing with a possible afterlife of animals.  This in turn transfers over to the speculative nature of what happens after death for humans as well.  In other words, there’s a whole lot of guessing and head-scratching involved, and including animals into the mix complicates it way more.

In Christian tradition or theology, it seems someone clear-cut as to what happens after death since we rely heavily upon the Bible as to what happens.  However, when you dig deeper, you will see that it is not so clear-cut as you would’ve liked it to have been.  For instance, early in the Old Testament there was a belief that all living souls went to an under-realm for the dead called “Sheol” which was very different from more popular understandings of heaven or the afterlife.  A post-mortem existence and possible afterlife and a resurrection of the dead appears in the post-exilic portion of the Old Testament (the book of Daniel in particular) that is further developed first by the writings of Paul and then the later gospel writings to varying degrees.

In other words, the Bible carries within it multiple views of what happens after death.  Even sparser or non-existent are what happens to animals after death.

Here are our essays related to these topics.

 

 

The Groaning of Creation: Chapter 5 – Part II

 

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What will the predator and prey relationship be like in the new earth?  Will we all become vegetarians?  Will there be any need for food sources?

 

We will finish Chapter 5 of The Groaning of Creation.

 

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UPDATE: The Groaning of Creation: Chapter 5 – “Heaven for Pelicans? Eschatological Considerations – Part I

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God’s covenant with animals.

 

This past Sunday we completed the first half of Chapter 5 of Christopher Southgate’s The Groaning of Creation.

 

Here are our essays.

 

“The Groaning of Creation” – Chapter 5: “Heaven for Pelicans? Eschatological Considerations” – Part I

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This week we will be covering the first 4 sections of Chapter 5 of Christopher Southgate’s The Groaning of Creation.

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UPDATE: Chapter 4.4 – “Developing a Theology of Evolutionary Creation”

 

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Does evolutionary creation lend itself to self-transcendence?

 

During our conversation last Sunday, we had a hard time trying to grasp Southgate’s meaning of the word “transcendence”.  We also had a hard time defining the word “love” as well in a philosophical sense.  Seems simple enough until you get down the deep theological and philosophical aspects of it rather than the simple everyday notions of the word “love”.

Here are our essays.

 

UPDATE: Chapter 4: “An Adventure in the Theology of Creation” – Part I

 

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Hans Urs von Balthasar (1905 – 1988), Swiss Roman Catholic theologian

 

We had another intense conversation this past Sunday as we began our first dip into Chapter 4 of Southgate’s book.

We discussed topics on God’s passability and suffering, whether or not God could attain new levels of self-actualization, the relationship of the persons within the Trinity, whether or not consciousness exists in inorganic matter, if God created an ambiguous world, and Jurgen Moltmann’s and Hans Urs von Balthasar’s views on kenosis and the Trinity.

Yes, we covered a lot of topics to say the least.

Here are our essays.

 

 

“The Groaning of Creation” – Chapter 4: “An Adventure in the Theology of Creation” – Part I

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Did God the Father grieve when Jesus suffered and died?  If so, then did God change?  Does God change if he suffers?  Can God experience new things?  Grünewald, Matthias “The Crucifixion”, 1515; Detail from the Isenheim altarpiece

 

 

We will cover the first three sections of Chapter 4 of Southgate’s The Groaning of Creation.

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Chapter 3: “Strategies in Evolutionary Theology”

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Are these dolphins engaging in the act of gang rape?  If so, are they culpable for their actions?  Are they sinning?

 

Had a very interesting session this past Sunday.  One of the topics revolved around “when” sin “entered” the picture.

Was it always present in creation or did it emerge around the time anatomically similar homo sapiens did around 200 – 150 thousand years ago?  Or was it around 50 – 40 thousand years ago when when cognitively modern humans came about that sin entered the picture and we became morally aware or conscious of our actions?

If sin was around since the beginning, then are animals culpable of sin?  Are the dolphins above sinning and are to be held accountable for their actions?

Among our group, there still seems to be a prevailing belief that humans are somewhat set apart and distinct from the rest of the animal kingdom.  We are still uncomfortable with being called animals or part of the animal kingdom.

Does being created in “the image of God” make us unique, separate, and above all other creatures?

Here are our essays.